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	<title>Comments on: Build a heliostat for solar heating and lighting</title>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://www.iwilltry.org/b/projects/build-a-heliostat-for-solar-heating-and-lighting/comment-page-1/#comment-17194</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 01:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Rob - 

Inspiring stuff!  You might find LightManufacturing&#039;s Heliostat (the H1) interesting  - see http://www.lightmanufacturingsystems.com/heliostats  We&#039;re using a tensioned membrane mirror for light weight and other advantages.

We&#039;re using the heliostats for general purpose heating and lighting, but also in our Solar Rotomolding Systems.  These make plastic objects like water tanks, entirely off grid.    See http://www.lightmanufacturingsystems.com/videos

Our aim is to apply solar thermal / heliostat energy directly to manufacturing processes, with the aim of lowering costs and reducing greenhouse gass emissions.

Best,

Karl]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rob &#8211; </p>
<p>Inspiring stuff!  You might find LightManufacturing&#8217;s Heliostat (the H1) interesting  &#8211; see <a href="http://www.lightmanufacturingsystems.com/heliostats" rel="nofollow">http://www.lightmanufacturingsystems.com/heliostats</a>  We&#8217;re using a tensioned membrane mirror for light weight and other advantages.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re using the heliostats for general purpose heating and lighting, but also in our Solar Rotomolding Systems.  These make plastic objects like water tanks, entirely off grid.    See <a href="http://www.lightmanufacturingsystems.com/videos" rel="nofollow">http://www.lightmanufacturingsystems.com/videos</a></p>
<p>Our aim is to apply solar thermal / heliostat energy directly to manufacturing processes, with the aim of lowering costs and reducing greenhouse gass emissions.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Karl</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.iwilltry.org/b/projects/build-a-heliostat-for-solar-heating-and-lighting/comment-page-1/#comment-9396</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 05:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Adany,
Nice video. I can&#039;t comment on the cost. The only real difference in the technology is they are heating water to generate steam to turn a turbine to produce electricity. That&#039;s what you need to do to distribute power from a single location. But for the backyard tinkerer it is much more cost effective (and more efficient) to put the heat straight into your home in the form of reflected radiation, especially if you have well placed windows already.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Adany,<br />
Nice video. I can&#8217;t comment on the cost. The only real difference in the technology is they are heating water to generate steam to turn a turbine to produce electricity. That&#8217;s what you need to do to distribute power from a single location. But for the backyard tinkerer it is much more cost effective (and more efficient) to put the heat straight into your home in the form of reflected radiation, especially if you have well placed windows already.</p>
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		<title>By: Adany</title>
		<link>http://www.iwilltry.org/b/projects/build-a-heliostat-for-solar-heating-and-lighting/comment-page-1/#comment-9370</link>
		<dc:creator>Adany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Rob &amp; All,

Thanks a lot for sharing this article , it is very usefull.

I found this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugt4sU1ketA

it is describing a heliostast solar generation project on a large scale ~ Mega Watts for a company called esolar. 

they said the project cost was more than 110 million $ !!!  why did the project costed all this ?

also what is the difference between the technology they are using and the technology used here by all of you guys to make a heliostast  at home.

Thanks
Adany]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rob &amp; All,</p>
<p>Thanks a lot for sharing this article , it is very usefull.</p>
<p>I found this video: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugt4sU1ketA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugt4sU1ketA</a></p>
<p>it is describing a heliostast solar generation project on a large scale ~ Mega Watts for a company called esolar. </p>
<p>they said the project cost was more than 110 million $ !!!  why did the project costed all this ?</p>
<p>also what is the difference between the technology they are using and the technology used here by all of you guys to make a heliostast  at home.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Adany</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Lang</title>
		<link>http://www.iwilltry.org/b/projects/build-a-heliostat-for-solar-heating-and-lighting/comment-page-1/#comment-9197</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Lang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 14:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just built a miniture louvered heliostast. It can be driven by a lamp timer. It focusses 5 suns onto a vertical tube which could run a miniture Stirling. Love your design and plan to build one. Yours in Solar, Phil]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just built a miniture louvered heliostast. It can be driven by a lamp timer. It focusses 5 suns onto a vertical tube which could run a miniture Stirling. Love your design and plan to build one. Yours in Solar, Phil</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.iwilltry.org/b/projects/build-a-heliostat-for-solar-heating-and-lighting/comment-page-1/#comment-8855</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 09:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@zawy
Good to see you back. Thanks for the links.

@samhitha
If sunlight hits your neighbour&#039;s wall then yes, in theory you could mount a heliostat to it to reflect the light into your house. In practice it may not be easy. Sorry, I don&#039;t think there&#039;s much I can do to help.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@zawy<br />
Good to see you back. Thanks for the links.</p>
<p>@samhitha<br />
If sunlight hits your neighbour&#8217;s wall then yes, in theory you could mount a heliostat to it to reflect the light into your house. In practice it may not be easy. Sorry, I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s much I can do to help.</p>
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		<title>By: samhitha</title>
		<link>http://www.iwilltry.org/b/projects/build-a-heliostat-for-solar-heating-and-lighting/comment-page-1/#comment-8835</link>
		<dc:creator>samhitha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 04:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hey most of my windows in my house are facing south where there is a 3 storied house! due to this my home hardly receives any sunlight in the south direction!...can i incorporate the above design by mounting the heliostat to my neighbour&#039;s wall?...can u help me with ur suggestions? i will also post the necessary photos if u ask for it!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey most of my windows in my house are facing south where there is a 3 storied house! due to this my home hardly receives any sunlight in the south direction!&#8230;can i incorporate the above design by mounting the heliostat to my neighbour&#8217;s wall?&#8230;can u help me with ur suggestions? i will also post the necessary photos if u ask for it!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: zawy</title>
		<link>http://www.iwilltry.org/b/projects/build-a-heliostat-for-solar-heating-and-lighting/comment-page-1/#comment-8466</link>
		<dc:creator>zawy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 03:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After a lot of vector math, I finally found out how to do real single-axis tracking based on turning the mirror 15 degrees per hour instead of electronics or optical tracking.  You simply point the axis of rotation half way between the celestial south pole and the target.  Amazingly, it all works out.  You use another axis on top of the perpendicular axis to adjust the mirror depending on the season as the sun&#039;s position changes.  In the diagram below, the radius of the inner circle is determined by this second axis.
http://theeestory.com/files/zawy_heliostat_aim_diagram.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBiZPtTo6Wo]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After a lot of vector math, I finally found out how to do real single-axis tracking based on turning the mirror 15 degrees per hour instead of electronics or optical tracking.  You simply point the axis of rotation half way between the celestial south pole and the target.  Amazingly, it all works out.  You use another axis on top of the perpendicular axis to adjust the mirror depending on the season as the sun&#8217;s position changes.  In the diagram below, the radius of the inner circle is determined by this second axis.<br />
<a href="http://theeestory.com/files/zawy_heliostat_aim_diagram.gif" rel="nofollow">http://theeestory.com/files/zawy_heliostat_aim_diagram.gif</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBiZPtTo6Wo" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBiZPtTo6Wo</a></p>
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		<title>By: zawy</title>
		<link>http://www.iwilltry.org/b/projects/build-a-heliostat-for-solar-heating-and-lighting/comment-page-1/#comment-8440</link>
		<dc:creator>zawy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 19:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Inspired by this web page, and looking carefully how he did the 2-axis, I came up with something similar using 2x4&#039;s and 2 door hinges:
http://theeestory.com/files/zawy_heliostat_2-axis.jpg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inspired by this web page, and looking carefully how he did the 2-axis, I came up with something similar using 2&#215;4&#8242;s and 2 door hinges:<br />
<a href="http://theeestory.com/files/zawy_heliostat_2-axis.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://theeestory.com/files/zawy_heliostat_2-axis.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.iwilltry.org/b/projects/build-a-heliostat-for-solar-heating-and-lighting/comment-page-1/#comment-8434</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 23:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am looking to create a Heliostat, I am looking to do it without circuitry, I have just finished my solar tracker and will try and use the principles I learned making it to make a helistat. the tracker has no circuitry it basically relies on a difference of power to track the sun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSEOWOam0vg
Has anyone attempted to make a heliostat without using computers circuitry or anything other than a sun tracker as guidance for moving the mirror?
Thanks 
Rick]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am looking to create a Heliostat, I am looking to do it without circuitry, I have just finished my solar tracker and will try and use the principles I learned making it to make a helistat. the tracker has no circuitry it basically relies on a difference of power to track the sun.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSEOWOam0vg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSEOWOam0vg</a><br />
Has anyone attempted to make a heliostat without using computers circuitry or anything other than a sun tracker as guidance for moving the mirror?<br />
Thanks<br />
Rick</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.iwilltry.org/b/projects/build-a-heliostat-for-solar-heating-and-lighting/comment-page-1/#comment-6594</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 06:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi DownThePaint,

I only meant that it&#039;s &quot;comparatively easy&quot; to get something to point directly at the sun. Depending on your electronics experience it can still be difficult.

Here&#039;s an example of the easiest way I know to do it without a computer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_yqBdbuKpg. For each of your two axes of motion (azimuth and elevation control) you need two detectors aimed 90 degrees apart from each other (4 detectors in total). The example above just shows one axis. Each pair of detectors is wired in parallel but with reverse polarity to make what&#039;s called a split detector. A split detector will output positive or negative current depending which of its two detectors is receiving the most light. You can use that positive or negative current to drive a motor that will turn your device until both detectors are receiving exactly the same amount of light, which will be when the line bisecting the two detectors points directly towards the sun. The example above uses PV cells for detectors. Those may output enough power to run a motor directly. If you want to use smaller detectors like photodiodes, you will need an amplifier circuit to drive the motor. See. Easy peasy! 

Using a fresnel lens is a simple solution if your goal is to heat up a small object (ex a cooking pot or frying pan) to a high temperature. But if your goal is to move the energy somewhere else (ex to heat a home) I think you&#039;ll find a fresnel lens is no simpler than other methods.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi DownThePaint,</p>
<p>I only meant that it&#8217;s &#8220;comparatively easy&#8221; to get something to point directly at the sun. Depending on your electronics experience it can still be difficult.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an example of the easiest way I know to do it without a computer: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_yqBdbuKpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_yqBdbuKpg</a>. For each of your two axes of motion (azimuth and elevation control) you need two detectors aimed 90 degrees apart from each other (4 detectors in total). The example above just shows one axis. Each pair of detectors is wired in parallel but with reverse polarity to make what&#8217;s called a split detector. A split detector will output positive or negative current depending which of its two detectors is receiving the most light. You can use that positive or negative current to drive a motor that will turn your device until both detectors are receiving exactly the same amount of light, which will be when the line bisecting the two detectors points directly towards the sun. The example above uses PV cells for detectors. Those may output enough power to run a motor directly. If you want to use smaller detectors like photodiodes, you will need an amplifier circuit to drive the motor. See. Easy peasy! </p>
<p>Using a fresnel lens is a simple solution if your goal is to heat up a small object (ex a cooking pot or frying pan) to a high temperature. But if your goal is to move the energy somewhere else (ex to heat a home) I think you&#8217;ll find a fresnel lens is no simpler than other methods.</p>
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		<title>By: DownThePaint</title>
		<link>http://www.iwilltry.org/b/projects/build-a-heliostat-for-solar-heating-and-lighting/comment-page-1/#comment-6571</link>
		<dc:creator>DownThePaint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 21:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rob; in your post 2011-02-18 at 10:33 pm you mentioned it was easy to get something to point direcly at the sun.  Could you explain how that can be done simply?  Also, what are your thought about doing the simple and using a Frensel lens to collect the energy?

Thanks,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob; in your post 2011-02-18 at 10:33 pm you mentioned it was easy to get something to point direcly at the sun.  Could you explain how that can be done simply?  Also, what are your thought about doing the simple and using a Frensel lens to collect the energy?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Shannon</title>
		<link>http://www.iwilltry.org/b/projects/build-a-heliostat-for-solar-heating-and-lighting/comment-page-1/#comment-6558</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 01:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just stumbled into this web site.
I use 3 plastic K mart mirrors mounted on a fence to direct the sun to the entire back of my house during the winter. neighbors thought I was crazy at first but for the past three years but it does make a big difference. the sun hits the two rear windows ans the entire outside wall. I know the back of the house is warmer as a result, and I I have direct sunlight against the front of the house all day. the heat does not come on for the better part of the day and it is warm.
this site has me thinking of targeting just the windows for a more concentrated &quot;effort&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just stumbled into this web site.<br />
I use 3 plastic K mart mirrors mounted on a fence to direct the sun to the entire back of my house during the winter. neighbors thought I was crazy at first but for the past three years but it does make a big difference. the sun hits the two rear windows ans the entire outside wall. I know the back of the house is warmer as a result, and I I have direct sunlight against the front of the house all day. the heat does not come on for the better part of the day and it is warm.<br />
this site has me thinking of targeting just the windows for a more concentrated &#8220;effort&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.iwilltry.org/b/projects/build-a-heliostat-for-solar-heating-and-lighting/comment-page-1/#comment-6534</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 06:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is more difficult to do that than you might think. Using photo cells, it&#039;s relatively easy to get something to point directly at the sun but it is not so easy to get something to reflect sunlight onto a target. That is because the mirrors don&#039;t need to point toward the sun or toward the target. The mirrors need to point to a virtual location in space that bisects the angle between the sun and the target. It can be done but it is mechanically and electronically complicated. Using a computer or microprocessor with suitable software or firmware, programmed with the current latitude, longitude, time, and target vector is quite a bit simpler.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is more difficult to do that than you might think. Using photo cells, it&#8217;s relatively easy to get something to point directly at the sun but it is not so easy to get something to reflect sunlight onto a target. That is because the mirrors don&#8217;t need to point toward the sun or toward the target. The mirrors need to point to a virtual location in space that bisects the angle between the sun and the target. It can be done but it is mechanically and electronically complicated. Using a computer or microprocessor with suitable software or firmware, programmed with the current latitude, longitude, time, and target vector is quite a bit simpler.</p>
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		<title>By: David Boatright</title>
		<link>http://www.iwilltry.org/b/projects/build-a-heliostat-for-solar-heating-and-lighting/comment-page-1/#comment-6521</link>
		<dc:creator>David Boatright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 03:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For a heliostat to work on its own without the computer. Could you put two photo censors on it X Y then manul calibrate (aim it at target) then let the photo cells run it. I do like your design looks good.
i am new to this and planing to build solar furnace.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a heliostat to work on its own without the computer. Could you put two photo censors on it X Y then manul calibrate (aim it at target) then let the photo cells run it. I do like your design looks good.<br />
i am new to this and planing to build solar furnace.</p>
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		<title>By: N K Srinivasan</title>
		<link>http://www.iwilltry.org/b/projects/build-a-heliostat-for-solar-heating-and-lighting/comment-page-1/#comment-6312</link>
		<dc:creator>N K Srinivasan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 01:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like this idea of heating rooms and also providing some indoor light. i have tried a similar &quot;heliostat&quot; made with cardboard &#039; covered with Reynolds heavy duty aluminum foil which I keep in the balcony to reflect solar heat into my bedroom. I live in Bangalore [13 deg parallel] which gets cold in winter months.It is effective.Thanks for your design and promoting this soalr energy applicataion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this idea of heating rooms and also providing some indoor light. i have tried a similar &#8220;heliostat&#8221; made with cardboard &#8216; covered with Reynolds heavy duty aluminum foil which I keep in the balcony to reflect solar heat into my bedroom. I live in Bangalore [13 deg parallel] which gets cold in winter months.It is effective.Thanks for your design and promoting this soalr energy applicataion.</p>
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		<title>By: brian warren</title>
		<link>http://www.iwilltry.org/b/projects/build-a-heliostat-for-solar-heating-and-lighting/comment-page-1/#comment-6196</link>
		<dc:creator>brian warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Rob 
Love your design. I have constructed a double parabolic mirror 40&quot;,  system solar furnace mounted on a equitorial
powered mount and wonder if your heliostat would do away daily adjustment to efectivly track the sun.
Ilook forward to hearing from you with your thoughts.

Regards

Brian]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rob<br />
Love your design. I have constructed a double parabolic mirror 40&#8243;,  system solar furnace mounted on a equitorial<br />
powered mount and wonder if your heliostat would do away daily adjustment to efectivly track the sun.<br />
Ilook forward to hearing from you with your thoughts.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Brian</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.iwilltry.org/b/projects/build-a-heliostat-for-solar-heating-and-lighting/comment-page-1/#comment-6117</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 17:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very cool idea.  I&#039;ve been collecting parts the past year of so to someday do this...  in the mean time I&#039;ve been playing with the concept and using the mirrors around the house to either bounce in more light from within the house or simply up my lumens by reflecting light bulb on textbooks I&#039;m reading using a desk size make up mirror. Sounds hokey, but all this adds up to learning more about what I can do with the resources I have at hand.  It does make a difference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool idea.  I&#8217;ve been collecting parts the past year of so to someday do this&#8230;  in the mean time I&#8217;ve been playing with the concept and using the mirrors around the house to either bounce in more light from within the house or simply up my lumens by reflecting light bulb on textbooks I&#8217;m reading using a desk size make up mirror. Sounds hokey, but all this adds up to learning more about what I can do with the resources I have at hand.  It does make a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.iwilltry.org/b/projects/build-a-heliostat-for-solar-heating-and-lighting/comment-page-1/#comment-6050</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 23:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding Nrel Spa.algorithm Could use assistance with my slight understanding of C,finally have the program outputting azmith and zenith. need advice on how to change the output to a ratio in C, for driving a stepper motor,for instance azimuth is now 271.525644 how would I multiply by 860?,For any advice please note,have been using Linux, ubuntu mostly, for the past few years do not have any windows available. Thanks.
Off subject comment: For several years ,have been using,receiver axis mounted electro mechanically controlled, twenty five, one square foot mirror tiles focused on high mount bathroom window, within the bathroom past the focal point have convexly mounted mylar reflecting and spreading heat to concrete bathroom floor. That bathroom is now a most pleasant room even being situated on the north side of the house.
Nice forum,Best,Anthony]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Nrel Spa.algorithm Could use assistance with my slight understanding of C,finally have the program outputting azmith and zenith. need advice on how to change the output to a ratio in C, for driving a stepper motor,for instance azimuth is now 271.525644 how would I multiply by 860?,For any advice please note,have been using Linux, ubuntu mostly, for the past few years do not have any windows available. Thanks.<br />
Off subject comment: For several years ,have been using,receiver axis mounted electro mechanically controlled, twenty five, one square foot mirror tiles focused on high mount bathroom window, within the bathroom past the focal point have convexly mounted mylar reflecting and spreading heat to concrete bathroom floor. That bathroom is now a most pleasant room even being situated on the north side of the house.<br />
Nice forum,Best,Anthony</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond Tissier</title>
		<link>http://www.iwilltry.org/b/projects/build-a-heliostat-for-solar-heating-and-lighting/comment-page-1/#comment-6018</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond Tissier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 10:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey cool.. 

Err Um &quot;ok, I think weve got a business here&quot; lets form a company, chip in .. and go with what works so far.. 

ie;  standardized 8mm toughened Glass mirrors, no frames, corners rounded and sanded safe for kids, bonded directly to a Plazma Screen type  motorised tracking brackets, independently powered from its on board PhotoVoltaic cells, wirelessly N networked and GPS position aware, totally controlled via the Home PC software.
its so easy to visualize.

Sell em at Wal-mart, simply dig six or eight postholes in the yard, concrete in the posts, plonk the hi status Branded units on top, and aim 2 or three at each window, load up the software, and thats it, it works! The air conditioner moves the heat around inside to balance room temperature and when you come home from work around 6:30 pm, the house is cozey and warm enough to coasts into the next sunny day.

No more heating bills! And with PhotoVoltaic Solar Cell Trackers added to the system later on, no electricity bills either! Yeah!

Ok, whos in, and whos is top class a International Patent and Trademark expert??

Raymond]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey cool.. </p>
<p>Err Um &#8220;ok, I think weve got a business here&#8221; lets form a company, chip in .. and go with what works so far.. </p>
<p>ie;  standardized 8mm toughened Glass mirrors, no frames, corners rounded and sanded safe for kids, bonded directly to a Plazma Screen type  motorised tracking brackets, independently powered from its on board PhotoVoltaic cells, wirelessly N networked and GPS position aware, totally controlled via the Home PC software.<br />
its so easy to visualize.</p>
<p>Sell em at Wal-mart, simply dig six or eight postholes in the yard, concrete in the posts, plonk the hi status Branded units on top, and aim 2 or three at each window, load up the software, and thats it, it works! The air conditioner moves the heat around inside to balance room temperature and when you come home from work around 6:30 pm, the house is cozey and warm enough to coasts into the next sunny day.</p>
<p>No more heating bills! And with PhotoVoltaic Solar Cell Trackers added to the system later on, no electricity bills either! Yeah!</p>
<p>Ok, whos in, and whos is top class a International Patent and Trademark expert??</p>
<p>Raymond</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 21:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi John,
Balancing the pivot point to reduce motor thrust requirements has the side benefit that a constant pressure applied over the mirrored surface results in very little force on the leadscrews. Most of the force is transmitted to the frame rather than the leadscrews.

Also, the design pictured uses a single sheet of plywood as backing which results in quite a nice sail, but I have since switched to a metal frame with a 1/4&quot; gap between each mirror which I find reduces the wind load considerably compared to a continuous surface.

If the linkages are built well with no backlash, wind loads are tolerable. If there is any backlash in the system, then the wind load is amplified by inertia and will do more damage at lower wind speeds. My metal frame design has survived continuous operation for the past 2 years with gusts up to 50km/h. The only adverse effect has been loss of position reference (wind loads are enough to stall the motors, but not to damage them). The motors run for a fraction of a second every 10 seconds. If that happens to correspond with a high wind load, then the motors will stall and a small amount of expected motion will be lost. Over a long windy period that can result in the heliostat lagging behind it&#039;s target position. In that case, it&#039;s relatively simple to make a manual adjustment and push a calibrate button in the software to accept the current position as the correct one.

Still, don&#039;t expect satellite dish robustness from this design. It is a relatively cheap design built by someone (me) who was willing and able to tinker with it on an ongoing basis to keep it operational. Building for a consumer market is a different thing altogether.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,<br />
Balancing the pivot point to reduce motor thrust requirements has the side benefit that a constant pressure applied over the mirrored surface results in very little force on the leadscrews. Most of the force is transmitted to the frame rather than the leadscrews.</p>
<p>Also, the design pictured uses a single sheet of plywood as backing which results in quite a nice sail, but I have since switched to a metal frame with a 1/4&#8243; gap between each mirror which I find reduces the wind load considerably compared to a continuous surface.</p>
<p>If the linkages are built well with no backlash, wind loads are tolerable. If there is any backlash in the system, then the wind load is amplified by inertia and will do more damage at lower wind speeds. My metal frame design has survived continuous operation for the past 2 years with gusts up to 50km/h. The only adverse effect has been loss of position reference (wind loads are enough to stall the motors, but not to damage them). The motors run for a fraction of a second every 10 seconds. If that happens to correspond with a high wind load, then the motors will stall and a small amount of expected motion will be lost. Over a long windy period that can result in the heliostat lagging behind it&#8217;s target position. In that case, it&#8217;s relatively simple to make a manual adjustment and push a calibrate button in the software to accept the current position as the correct one.</p>
<p>Still, don&#8217;t expect satellite dish robustness from this design. It is a relatively cheap design built by someone (me) who was willing and able to tinker with it on an ongoing basis to keep it operational. Building for a consumer market is a different thing altogether.</p>
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