Convert your gas hot water tank to electric
2008-09-20 by RobIn this article, I’ll show you how I used an ordinary stove element to convert my inefficient natural gas hot water tank to an ultra efficient electric tank on a timer, decreasing my energy consumption for water heating by about 80% and saving us about $175 per year (more when you consider that were were also able to cancel our natural gas account as a result of this conversion, saving an additional $140 per year in “basic charges” that the gas company charges regardless of the amount of gas consumed). Warning!!! This article describes modifications to a natural gas appliance, as well as custom 110V AC electrical wiring. Attempting to duplicate the modifications described here could result in injury and/or death and/or significant damage to your home. Do try this at home (where else would you?)… but do so at your own risk.
Why are electric water tanks more efficient than gas ones?
Put simply, most gas hot water tanks put more heat up the chimney than they put into the water. A gas hot water tank is effectively an insulated tank with a hollow tube running through its center. Hot exhaust gases from the burner at the bottom of the tank pass through the tube. The tube is designed for good heat transfer to the water around it but much of the heat goes right through the tank, up the chimney. Feel the chimney while the burner is on and it will likely be too hot to touch. A tremendous amount of heat is lost up the chimney whenever the burner is on. However, that isn’t the worst of it. Most gas hot water tanks in use today have continuous pilot flames and open flues. This means that even when the burner is off (which is most of the time), the heat transfer happens in reverse. The hot water in the tank warms up the air in the tube (recall the tube is designed for maximum heat transfer). The air rises up into the flue. The result is a continuous flow of warm air through the tube, extracting heat from the tank 24 hours a day and dumping it out the chimney. Feel the chimney above your gas hot water tank any time that the burner is off, and you will find that it is still quite warm to the touch due to all the hot air rising from the tank below.
Experiments on my own hot water tank showed that simply capping the tube at the top of the tank by placing a block of wood over it reduced the rate of heat loss from the tank to around 60% of it’s normal rate (ie 40% of the energy loss is up the chimney). If your gas hot water tank is located inside a living space, then I have even more bad news for you. In addition to carrying away heat from the tank, this continuous flow of air up the chimney carries away heat from your home. Air from within your home (that you’ve already heated up to room temperature) is drawn into the bottom of the tank, passes through the tank and is expelled out the chimney. The removal of this heated air from your home causes cold air from outside to be drawn in through all the cracks and openings in your home’s building envelope. It’s the same effect as having a small window open continuously. Capping your gas hot water tank (and plugging the chimney) will prevent this loss in addition to reducing heat loss from the tank itself. However, the only way you can get away with capping your gas hot water tank is by turning off the gas.
Why not just buy an electric tank?
I could have purchased a new electric hot water tank, but that would have been expensive and wasteful since there is nothing particularly wrong with my gas hot water tank. In addition, installing a commercial electric hot water tank would require rewiring my home to supply a 220V circuit to the location of the water tank. I wanted to be able to run my tank off a 110V circuit and put it on a timer. Timers for 220V high current circuits cost hundreds of dollars. Timers for 110V circuits cost less than $20. On pondering the issue for some time, I realized there was a very simple conversion I could do myself with parts I already had or could get for free.
A 110V circuit doesn’t have enough power for a hot water tank… does it?
This is a common misconception. Commercial hot water tanks, after all, have elements requiring up to 10 kW of power while a typical 110V circuit is only capable of driving around 1.5 kW. The reason commercial tanks draw so much power is “recovery time”. Hot water tanks are typically designed for a recovery time of 1 hour. In other words, a typical hot water tank requires enough power that you can empty the entire tank every hour and still have hot water. Hot water tanks typically hold over 100 litres of water. I don’t know about you, but my household rarely requires 200 litres of hot water in a single day, let alone in a two hour period. If you can tolerate a longer recovery period, then you can easily reduce the power draw to something that a 110V, 15A circuit can supply.
One little compromise makes a huge difference
It is important to recognize that you don’t NEED hot water available all day all the time. In my home, showers are about the only thing we require hot water for. We wash our laundry in cold water and our dish washer has it’s own heating element. If you can tolerate restricting your hot water use to a particular time of day (morning for example), there is no reason to maintain a tank full of hot water 24 hours a day just dissipating it’s heat to the surroundings. If you do want hot water available at any time, you can still achieve that with the conversion I’ll describe, but you’ll see a larger reduction in energy consumption if you are willing to run your tank once per day on a timer, heating it up and turning it off just before you use it. Then as you extract hot water from the top of the tank, it will be replaced by cold water at the bottom of the tank. You can extract up to 1 full tank of hot water which will generally suffice for several showers each morning. The tank will then sit full of cold water most of the day, so it won’t be dissipating ANY heat to the surroundings. In fact, it may even absorb heat from the surroundings if the incoming water temperature is lower than the outside air temperature.
How much power does it take?
If you restrict your hot water use to one time of day (and less than one full tank of water), you clearly don’t need a 1 hour recovery period. You could, in theory, allow up to 24 hours for your tank to heat back up. Tests on my own tank, showed that it takes as little as 150W of continuous power to heat a cold tank from 15°C to 45°C in 24 hours. However, as stated above you can reduce energy consumption by allowing your tank to sit cold all day, heating it up as quickly as possible just before you need it. If 150W will heat a tank up in 24 hours, then 300W will heat it up in 12 hours, 600W will heat it up in 6 hours, 1200W will heat it up in 3 hours … you get the idea. Because I wanted to plug my tank into an existing 110V circuit, I did not want to draw so much power that I’d be likely to trip a breaker if I plugged something else in while the hot water tank was on (even though that’s pretty unlikely since I run the tank only at night). I found that a 520W heating element was satisfactory. Typically we don’t use a full tank of hot water per day so the tank is never completely cold and I’ve found it only takes about 4 hours per night to get the water temperature to around 45°C at point of use each morning. By running our tank on a timer between 3 am and 7 am, we have enough hot water for showers, and we only use the equivalent of about 87W of continuous power (520W times 4/24 since we only run it 4 hours our of every 24). This is in mid summer… I imagine we will need more power in the winter when the garage and the incoming water are colder.
How do you do the conversion?
Converting a gas hot water tank to electric is easier than you might think. If I had to do it again, it would take me only about an hour. The original equipment is not modified in any way either, so it’s easy to switch back later if you want to. Warning!!! Be sure to turn off your natural gas completely before performing this conversion. The process described could generate electrical sparks which could cause an explosion if any natural gas is present.
First, find a suitable stove element. You can often pick up a used stove element from any appliance recycling or salvage yard for free, or you can buy one. You want an element that will produce 500 to 1000 Watts of power on 110V AC. Most stove elements are rated for 220V AC. If you know basic electronics, then you will recall that if you halve the voltage across a resistive element, you will get only 1/4 of the power output. So a stove element rated for 2000 to 4000 Watts at 220V is will give you 500 to 1000 Watts at 110V. The best method for selecting an element is to bring an ohm meter and measure it’s resistance. Power is equal to V2/R where V=110. Therefore you want a resistance R of 12 to 24 ohms. The resistance will increase a little when the element heats up but not too significantly. Note also that although you will be running the element for much longer periods than it would normally be run on a stove top, it will still last a long time because you will be running it at only 1/4 of its rated power. That said, you might want to pick up a few elements since they may break during the shaping process.
Shape the heating element to fit inside the tube through the water tank. I used a couple pipes as forms to bend the heating element into a “coil inside a coil” shape so that the two ends of the element were on the same end of the coil. See photos for a clearer explanation. Be sure that the terminal ends of the element are well away from the outside circumference of the coil so they cannot contact the inside walls of the tube through the hot water tank that the coil will eventually be lowered into. Test fit the element in the tank. First, turn off the gas, including the pilot flame. Then disconnect the chimney from above the tank. Pushing the chimney aside you should have access to the top of the tube running through the tank. Reach inside and pull out a spiral shaped length of metal. This is designed to improve heat transfer from the exhaust gases to the tank, but it is not needed for the electric conversion so it can be removed to make space for the electric element. Slide the coiled element into the tube. Ideally, it should slide in freely, making only light contact with the walls of the tube. Reshape the coil as necessary for best fit.
Attach wires, electrical cord and cap. I used some high temperature wire from the same salvaged stove I got the element from. This wire has a special insulation rated for high temperatures and also has some connectors for attaching to the element. The high temperature wiring should only be needed in close proximity to the element. About 2 ft of wire should be all that is required but if you have more, you might as well use it. The high temperature wire can then be soldered (and heat shrink tubing applied) to an electrical cord with plug. Before soldering, pass the ends of the electrical cord through a drilled hole in a metal cap. A large jar lid with the seal removed makes a good cap. WARNING!!! Do not use a wooden cap as shown in the photos. This was a temporary improvisation. It will work under normal operating conditions but could be a fire hazard if the element is ever left on continuously (intentionally or otherwise). Using non-flammable materials is just plain better when dealing with any heating appliance. The cap will act as both support for the element, hanging by the wires, and also to prevent air flow through the tank. Tie a knot in the cord so that the element hangs near the bottom of the tank without contacting the burner.
Install the heating element. Ensure that the bare ends of the element will not contact the tube walls or each other. Insert the element in the tube aligning the cap so the cord is centered above the tube and the block covers the tube end completely.
If you have a power meter, plug it into an outlet and plug the cord into it so you can see how much power the element is drawing. Leave the power on for a half hour or so, keeping close watch on the tank. You can lift the wood block occasionally and look into the tube, checking the wiring for any melting and smelling around for anything burning. Be careful when moving the cap from the top of the tube to look inside as hot air will rise from the tube.
If all goes well (no melting wires or the smell of anything burning), plug the cord into a timer. Set the timer to heat the element for roughly 6 hours, turning it off just before you generally use your hot water. You want the element to be turned off while you are using hot water so that you will not be wasting energy heating up the cold water that is entering the tank. If you find that the water is not hot enough after 6 hours of heating, then adjust the timer to start heating earlier. Likewise, if you find that the water is too hot after 6 hours of heating, then adjust the timer to start heating later. The system can take a day or two to reach equilibrium after you make an adjustment, so try not to make adjustments too large or too frequently. If you used a 520W element like I did, you’ll probably find that a few hours of heating per shower is plenty. For example, 4 hours seems to be about right for our two-shower-per day household in the summer. We’ve found that heating the tank only once in the early morning results in “high heat” for showers tapering off to “medium heat” by the evening. If you want high heat available all the time, then you can set your timer to heat a couple hours at a time at a few different times during the day, however, this will consume more energy since the average continuous temperature of the tank will be higher. You’ll likely need to adjust the timer a few times during the year to adjust for the temperature of your incoming water which will vary seasonally.
Lastly, you should post a warning or disconnect the gas lines completely. If someone were to turn the gas back on and light the pilot flame without noticing that you modified the tank (unlikely but possible) it could result in gas and/or carbon monoxide being released into your home (also unlikely but possible). The warning message shown in the image below was one I posted for a few days while testing to see if the 520W element was adequate. After that I disconnected the gas lines from the tank completely.
Safety considerations
There are a few important safety considerations when performing the described conversion. First, if the timer beaks or if someone were to plug the element in without a timer, it will run continuously and eventually, it could heat the water tank to boiling temperatures which could cause scalding and in the worst case, could increase the tank pressure to the point of explosion. There SHOULD be a T&P (temperature and pressure) relief valve on the tank which will open, expelling hot water in the event that the temperature or pressure exceeds acceptable levels.
Warning! Whether you convert your tank or not, you should ensure your T&P (temperature and pressure) relief valve is functioning properly.
On my tank, this will expel water safely into a pipe that leads outside my home. Your tank may vary. It is possible, however unlikely, that water could be sprayed onto the element which could cause an electrical hazard. The tank could also leak internally causing an electrical hazard. Also, it is possible that the bare terminals of the element could contact the inside of the water tank, also causing an electrical hazard.
Warning! To reduce the electrical hazards described above, use a GFCI outlet or GFCI adapter. You should also add a note/label to your electrical cord indicating that it should only be plugged into a GFCI outlet to reduce the electrical hazard.
Thermal fuses are relatively cheap and can be wired in series with the element to reduce the risk of overheating. Cover the thermal fuse with heat shrink and attach it adjacent to the outside of the hot water tank (under the existing tank insulation). Thermal fuses can be purchased from Digikey for about $1.30. Aim for about 80°C maximum working temperature of the fuse. There will be some internal heating due to the electrical current through the fuse, so it should trigger at 70 to 75°C. This type of fuse is non-resetable. If you’d prefer a resetable solution, you can use a thermal switch. These open at a particular trigger temperature and close again at some temperature below the trigger temperature. They are about $10 ea at Digikey.
Warning! Install a thermal fuse or thermal switch to prevent overheating if the element is inadvertently left on continuously or plugged into an outlet with no timer.
In the absolute worst case that you don’t install a thermal fuse and your T&P valve isn’t functioning (or someone capped it because it was dripping) and you connect the heating element to continuous power (or your timer is faulty), you might be surprised to know what might happen. The temperature and pressure in the tank may rise until the tank explodes. Depending on the mode of failure of the tank, it can act like a rocket, literally destroying your home and launching itself several hundred feet into the air. This has been demonstrated on a couple episodes of Mythbusters. This myth, unfortunately, is entirely true.
Huh? Don’t you need to install a thermostat?
When I first thought about converting my tank, I intended to add a thermostat so that the tank would not overheat and would be at a consistent temperature each morning. However, during testing I found it wasn’t necessary because our hot water use follows such a regular pattern. Without a thermostat, the temperature of your hot water on any given morning may vary a bit depending how much hot water was used the previous day, but that is easily compensated for by adjusting the amount of cold water in the mix. In the worst case that no hot water is used for several days, the average tank temperature will increase higher than normal, but the change isn’t significant. There simply isn’t enough power going into the tank to overheat it (unless your timer breaks, or someone inadvertently plugs it in without a timer as discussed in the safety concerns section above). So my advice is not to complicate things. If you can restrict your hot water use to a single time of day and your hot water use follows a reasonably regular pattern then you don’t need a thermostat. If your hot water use does not follow a regular pattern, it’s entirely possible to make your own thermostat. I suspect you might even be able to incorporate a cheap programmable thermostat originally designed for central heating control. Then you’d have complete programability of both time and temperature and wouldn’t require a separate timer. Unfortunately, building a thermostat (programmable or otherwise) is beyond the scope of this article simply because I haven’t tried to do it yet. I may add that as a separate article in the future.
What’s the best water temperature to aim for?
There is a hot debate (pun intended) about what is an appropriate temperature for domestic hot water heaters. Some recommend water temperatures under 50°C to prevent scalding (especially important if you have children). Others recommend a temperature of 60°C or higher to kill bacteria. The primary bacterial concern is Legionella bacteria which can cause Legionnaire’s Disease. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates 8,000 to 18,000 Americans contract the disease annually (about 1 out of every 20,000 people) with 5 to 30% of cases being fatal. High risk groups are the elderly, smokers, the immuno-compromised and those with chronic respiratory illnesses. According to this article, it’s not necessary that water temperature be maintained at 60°C to kill the bacteria. It’s only necessary that the water temperature be raised to 60°C at least once per day. A great way to accomplish this with minimal energy consumption is – you guessed it – by running a tank on a timer just as I’ve described above. Commercial electric tanks have heating elements located near their midsections leaving some water at the bottom of the tank that will be cooler than 60°C even when the tank is set to 60°C. Thus Legionella bacteria are almost always found in electric tanks rather than gas or oil ones. The converted hot water tank I’ve described, however, should not suffer from this deficiency since the heating element can be lowered to the very bottom of the tank. I personally aim for a temperature of only 45°C at the point of use for morning showers. It’s up to you whether you want to run your tank up to 60°C or reduce your energy consumption and scalding risk by targeting a lower temperature.
How much can you save?
My gas statements from last summer showed that we consumed about 1.2 GJ of gas per month in the summer and about 2 GJ per month in the winter. That is a summer equivalent of about 11 kWh per day. This summer the converted tank is consuming about 0.52 kW x 4 hours = 2.08 kWh per day or about an 80% reduction. Our gas consumption for one full year was about 20 GJ or 5500 kWh. At $12.78 per GJ, that amounts to about $250 per year. Assuming the 80% reduction holds true year round, I expect to consume about 1100 kWh of electricity per year. At $0.07 per kWh that amounts to about $77. Therefore our savings are about $175 per year.
Aside: Our recent switch from gas to electric space heating already saved us about $355 per year. The hot water tank conversion has brought our savings up to about $530 per year. The icing on the cake is that we no longer use ANY natural gas so we were able to cancel our gas account, saving an additional $140 per year in “basic charges” that our gas company bills no matter how much gas we consume. That brings our total savings to around $670 per year by switching from gas to electric.
How does this compare to tankless “on demand” systems?
In theory, electric tankless water heaters approach 100% efficiency. In other words they put most of the energy into the water and dissipate hardly any to the surroundings. In practice they still dissipate heat from the pipes themselves and a preheating tank is typically installed in series to reduce the peak electrical load required to raise the water to the final temperature. The preheating tank is maintained at a constant temperature and dissipates heat just like any other hot water tank, reducing the efficiency of tankless systems. Despite the fact that tankless gas water heaters don’t require a preheating tank, they are not as efficient as electric systems due to our old friend, the chimney.
For the sake of argument let’s compare our converted tank on a timer to a 100% efficient “ideal” water heater. The specific heat of water is 4.186 kJ/l/°C. Our cold water temperature is about 15°C and our hot water temperature is about 45°C. We use about 40 litres of hot water per day for showers (yes, I measured it). Assuming 100% efficiency, the energy required to heat 40 litres of water by 30°C is simply 4.186*40*30 = 5023.2 kJ. The average power required in kW is simply that energy divided by the time (one day) in seconds or 5023.2/(24*60*60) = 0.058 kW. So a 100% efficient water heating system would require 58 W of continuous power to meet our hot water demand. Using our electric system on a timer our average power consumption (calculated earlier) is about 87 W. Thus our efficiency is 58/87 = 67%.
I think that’s pretty good. It is probably about equivalent to an electric on demand system with a preheating tank. To satisfy my curiosity I’ll also calculate the efficiency of the previous natural gas setup. Recall that prior to converting our tank our hot water tank was consuming about 1.2 GJ (1200000 kJ) per month in natural gas. The power is simply that energy divided by the time (one month) in seconds or 1200000/(30*24*60*60) = 0.463 kW. That’s 463 W. So our water heating efficiency prior to converting from gas to electric was 58/463 = 12.5%. This is typical of a natural gas water heater with an open flue and a continuous pilot flame (the most common type currently in residential use), and yes, it is pathetic.
Note that the efficiency of a hot water tank increases as hot water usage increases. This may not seem intuitive at first, but think about it. If you don’t use any hot water, your hot water tank efficiency must be 0% since it’s consuming energy but not producing any useful hot water. The efficiency numbers I calculated above are based on our own hot water usage of about 40 litres per day. If we used more hot water than that, the efficiency calculated would be higher. Most hot water tanks have an Energy Factor or EF rating. This value is supposed to represent the efficiency of the hot water tank assuming “typical” hot water usage. I’m not sure what the typical usage is that manufactures assume to determine their EF values but I suspect it’s in the ballpark of 2 full tanks per day. Given that gas hot water tanks tend to have EF ratings around 0.6 and electric hot water tanks tend to have EF ratings around 0.9, it’s pretty clear that our hot water usage of 40 litres per day must be MUCH less than the “typical” usage that EF values are based on. I suppose it is in the manufacturer’s best interest to assume greater usage than what is truly typical since it makes their products appear more efficient than they actually are. There are not many consumers who recognize there is a difference between “Energy Factor” and “Efficiency”, or that that actual efficiency depends on usage.
What about adding solar water heating?
Solar water heating is one of the easiest and least costly ways of extracting useful power from sunlight and has one of the shortest pay back periods of any solar technology. Solar water heating was commonplace in cities throughout North America (something like 20-30% of households had them) before cheap gas and electricity arrived on the scene. Now that gas and electricity are not so cheap anymore, there has been a resurgence of solar water heater installations. Luckily, an electric hot water tank on a timer is a perfect complement to a solar thermal collector. Heat only flows from hot to cold, so if your solar thermal collector is only heating up to 40°C because it’s an overcast day, you won’t be able to transfer any of that heat to a hot water tank that’s being maintained at 45°C. To get around this issue, solar water heating systems typically require installation of a preheating tank. The solar collector is used to heat the preheating tank which then delivers warm water to the regular hot water tank.
One way to avoid the expense and hassle of installing a preheating tank is – you guessed it – by using an electric tank on a timer. Then, instead of a preheating tank you have a “preheating period” which is simply the time that the heating element is turned off. If you shower in the morning, your water tank will be relatively cool during the day and a solar collector can be used to heat the tank directly. This will in turn reduce the amount of electrical energy required each morning to bring the tank up to temperature. You can imagine that if solar energy can bring the temperature of the tank up to 40°C, then you won’t need to power the heating element for very long the next morning to bring the tank up to 45°C. However, a thermostat would be a good idea to take best advantage of solar heating. Without one, the temperature of the water each morning will depend heavily on the amount of sunshine the previous day.
What else can you do to reduce the energy consumption of a hot water tank?
There are several other things I’m planning to do as priorities and time permit:
- I could achieve a higher efficiency by installing a 1000W or 1500W heating element and reducing the heating time accordingly. Effectively this would allow the tank to spend more time at a lower temperature which would result in less heat dissipation. A simple way to do this would be to put two 520W heating elements in parallel to make a 1040W heating element. This would also reduce the recovery period (useful when we have guests and many people want to shower around the same time)
- My tank still dissipates heat to it’s surroundings whenever the inside water temperature is higher than the outside air temperature. It’s a law of thermodynamics that the power dissipated is proportional to the temperature difference so the power loss is greater in the winter when the air is colder (recall my tank is in an unheated garage). There’s no way to stop the dissipation of heat completely, but I could reduce it significantly by adding more insulation around the outside of the tank. There are hot water tank jackets marketed expressly for this purpose but they only add a couple inches of insulation. According to my calculations, the optimum insulation thickness is MUCH more than that. Update. I did this. It was easy and it was wildly successful. For more information see Super insulate your hot water tank.
- I mentioned earlier that our hot water tank is located in an unheated garage. That means that the heat dissipated by the tank is wasted. Therefore I plan to move the tank inside our home. There’s a small storage closet under our stairs that would hide it nicely. Then during our heating season (which is about 7 months out of the year) the heat dissipated from the tank will not be wasted. It will heat our home just as effectively as the electric space heaters we’re already using.
- When I turn on the hot water in our shower, about 1.75 litres of cold water is expelled from the shower head before any hot water arrives. This is because the hot water tank is currently far from the point of use. At first glance you might think that this is just a waste of water rather than a waste of energy – it’s only cold water after all – but what it really means is that after any hot water use, 1.75 litres of hot water remains in our pipes and simply dissipates heat to the surroundings. Our showers each morning only total about 40 litres of water so the 1.75 litres in the pipe represents about 4% of our hot water usage. During our heating season it’s not that important since the water pipe dissipates heat into our home where we want it, but in the summer the dissipated heat is simply wasted. Things could be improved by moving the tank closer to our point of use. Note that insulating your hot water pipes (as is a common recommendation) actually does very little good. Even an insulated hot water pipe will easily dissipate all its heat to the surroundings in a matter of hours because its surface area to volume ratio is so high. Fortunately the planned new location under our stairs will reduce the distance to the point of use to about 25% of the current distance. Another solution is to use smaller diameter pipe as long as you have plenty of water pressure.
- We typically use only 40-50 litres of hot water per day, but our tank holds over 100 litres. Hot water tanks are generally sized to meet peak demand rather than typical demand which makes sense since who wants to have visitors suffer through a cold shower. However, larger tanks dissipate more heat because they have a larger surface area. One solution to this issue is to install two tanks in series, one sized to meet typical demand, and another sized so that the total volume of the two tanks will meet peak demand. This is something I may consider. Installing another, much smaller tank inside the home as described above would result in two tanks in series. The big tank in the garage would be heated only when guests are visiting (and perhaps just enough in winter to prevent the tank from freezing) and the small tank inside would provide for our typical daily usage.

2009-01-10 at 12:05 pm
On the subject of reducing total amount of water heated by replacing oyur standard tank with two smaller tanks, it might be fairly feasible to install essentially something similiar to the little bob that hands in a toilet. Adding a manual switch of course that can be turned off (immersing the bob and taking no notice of its position) to simply stop the fill of the tank at a certain point. Though considerations of water to air loss of heat and perhaps the type of heater, and whether or not the heater can act if there is air or equivalent vacuum inside it. However, assuming no problems with the preceding a simple bob connected to the fill aparatus may solve the extra water to heat to problem straight away on the cheap and in theory reduce your current expenditures by a logical half or thereabouts in normal use scenarios.
2009-01-10 at 12:59 pm
Hi Lourdes,
That’s an interesting idea, but I don’t know how it could be implemented practically, and I have my doubts whether it would be effective. The power consumption of a hot water tank is related more to it’s surface area and insulation thickness than to the volume of water inside. A tank full of air maintained at normal operating temperature would likely require almost as much power as the same tank full of water maintained at normal operating temperature.
Also, a hot water tank is a closed, pressurized system with only a water inlet and a water outlet. If you want to switch from “full tank mode” to “half tank mode” using a system as you described, you’d need a way of injecting air into the tank and ensuring that it stayed there rather than simply being expelled through the outlet pipe. There is also a danger of explosion since air is compressible and will expand violently if the tank ruptures, unlike water which will simply leak.
I appreciate the comment, though.
2009-02-15 at 7:11 am
I am interested to try this conversion however i would like to verify a few things if you don’t mind first i have no idea if the tube of the tank where you put the element inside is full of water or not because i’m just curious if it is full of water and the element will submerge on it (with the bare end) would it be creating a short cicuit? Thanks! and i appreciate your response and many thanks for all informative and very helpful articles you published and may the Lord bless you and your family.
2009-02-15 at 8:26 pm
The tube does not have any water in it. It is essentially a hole through the entire tank, open at both the top and the bottom. The heating electric element is not in contact with anything except air. Some parts of the element might lightly touch the tube walls, but the surface of the heating element is not electrically conductive so that doesn’t matter. The element heats up the air in the tube. The is transfers from the air to the tank. Since I plugged the top of the tube, the air has no where to go and all the heat that the element transfers to the air is eventually transferred to the tank.
2009-02-25 at 4:28 pm
I’ve just scanned this, but you have covered a lot of topics. Very interesting.
2009-03-04 at 2:05 pm
Have you considered adding (building) a heat recovery unit for your sewage/drain line? A great deal of the heat disposed of in the shower waste water could be recovered to pre-heat cold water entering the tank.
I have seen a number of copper models, but am considering simply wrapping PEX tightly around 8 feet of my waste water line to preheat the cold water entering my tank.
2009-03-04 at 11:57 pm
Hi Ron,
I’ve looked at heat exchangers like you described but I determined there was not a big enough payback to justify the effort/expense for me, given how little hot water I use. I have many other projects to consider with a greater return (in both $ and reduced carbon footprint) and while it’s true that every little bit counts, I try to be very conscious of the fact that everything I spend time on has an opportunity cost.
PS. During the heating season (8 months of the year where I live), you can achieve much the same effect simply by leaving hot water in the tub to cool down to room temperature (heating up your home in the process) before you drain it.
2009-03-30 at 11:42 am
Hello,
Very interesting project. Hypothetically, what do you think would happen if it were left on for a few days straight with no water usage and no timer. How hot could the water get? Where will the overheat valve spay the water? Will the water create a electrocution hazard? Also, what temperatures are reached on the piece of wood? What if someone tries a 1200 watt element? The idea of using any flammable parts for the cap or the insulation really makes me cringe.
I really really think you should advise people to use both a GFCI power source and all non-flammable parts.
2009-03-30 at 12:45 pm
Hi John,
Great leading questions. The water reaches about 25°C above ambient with the 550W element running 4-5 hours per day, I would therefore conclude that the water could easily reach boiling temperatures if the element were left on continuously with no timer. With a 1200W element the danger would be even worse.
Therefore a thermal shutoff is in order.
On my tank the thermal expansion valve releases water into a pipe that goes into a drain pipe that empties the water outside the house. There is no danger of water reaching the element or any electrical wiring.
I never measured the temperature of the block of wood but using my well calibrated thumb (I know I can touch 50°C indefinitely and 75°C for about 1 second before it’s too hot) I would estimate the temperature was around 50°C during operation (about 5 to 10°C hotter than the water). Recall the element is about 3ft below the cap. However, the wood was a temporary improvisation and has been replaced with a sheet metal cap.
Agreed on the GFCI power source. I will update the article to add these suggestions. Thanks again.
2009-06-03 at 2:11 pm
Very interesting article, lots of useful information.
I have a somewhat unrelated question that I hope you can answer. Do you know of any devices that can be bought (e.g. already made) that can be used to heat up a tub (or pot) of water? Imagine something like one of those tubes you drop into ponds – the only difference being that it heats the water to a higher temperature (and preferably at a faster rate)?
If nothing exists to accomplish this – do you have any ideas or suggestions on how to achieve it using DIY methods?
2009-07-28 at 6:38 am
I did a similar conversion to my water heater many years ago when i forgot to pay my gas bill.
I placed a 75watt lightbulb at the bottom of the water heater where the gasFlame is. I turned
off the gas valve just for safety, even though gas was OFF anyway. I also plugged the chimney
of the gaswaterheater like you did. I discovered the same thing concerning RECOVERY time.
It took about 20 hours for the tank to re-heat for showers. ONE THING I also discovered is
the INSULATION on the wires tended to BAKE… and eventually harden and crack and this could
be a hazard of your system also. ESPECIALLY since your wire is at the TOP! I suggest putting the
wire at the BOTTOM of the tank because heat rises. All that heat is going to RISE and overheat
your wires and cause hardening and cracking and baking of your wire! Your idea of adding the
TIMER and a bigger heater is GENIOUS ! I had to add many blankets of insulation around the
tank to allow the 75watts to heat sufficiently for 20 hours recoverytime. Any wire used should
be HIGH TEMPERATURE insulated, like those found on an old CLOTHES IRON. and should be
inspected regularly to be sure the insulation has not deteriorated causing safety hazard. A Note taped
to the water heater is important stateing “this is a modified water heater…etc etc ” full
description of what was done. … to inform next homeowner to REMOVE chimney blocks
if they RE-install a gas heater. Lots of safety hazards. Build at YOUR OWN RISK.
2009-08-04 at 7:03 am
Can you convert it back to gas fairly easily. Or do you have to put in a new hot water heater.
2009-08-04 at 10:04 am
Conversion back to gas takes 5-10 minutes. You just pull out the heating element, re-insert the original spiral shaped metal piece in the tube, re-attach the chimney, and re-light the pilot flame. Then figure out a way to deal with the guilt, knowing you’re consuming 5 times more energy than necessary.
2009-08-28 at 9:41 am
hello rob,
i have an electric water heater , not gas.
will i save something if i connect 110volts to the lower heating element?
thank you
jappy
2009-10-20 at 6:23 pm
I know im not rob .. but i think i can answer your question jappy, if your still around
Converting a typical 220V hot water heater, would save you money, yes .. but remeber electric water heaters dont have an opening at the top (ie chimney) .. and doesn’t have a opening at the bottom that you could use for a similar use
In addition, your already heating with electric :S ..
Where you would save money is if you installed a timer, to turn on the water heater only at the times you require it .. but a 220V timer is fairly expensive,
so jappy the easy answer is no .. your stuck with what you have .. correct me if im wrong ..
2009-10-21 at 3:03 pm
Thanks James,
Yes. With an electric tank you’re already saving a lot over most gas hot water tanks with open flues and continuous pilot lights (the most common kind for residential use). But if you switch a 220V tank to 110V you won’t gain anything unless you also install a timer and/or insulate the tank better.
The only benefit to switching from 220V to 110V is that it will then be much cheaper to install a timer. The drawback is that you can’t get as much power out of a typical 110V circuit, so the recovery time (time to heat up an entire tank of cold water) is longer, but this is only important if you use more than a full tank of hot water each day.
2009-10-29 at 2:20 pm
We have a solar system for DHW (no standby) and on the third or fourth rare cloudy day the showers get shorter or skipped. It is a nice conservation feedback system.
2009-12-28 at 7:13 am
hello would this work with a propane water tank?
2010-01-16 at 10:07 pm
Hi kris,
I’m not familiar with propane hot water tanks but I assume they would be virtually identical to natural gas ones with the exception of the burner itself. If so, this technique should work just as well.
2010-01-27 at 12:40 pm
Try this, it’s easier. After my shower one morning I turned the control on my gas water heater from On to Pilot. This keeps the main burner from running. The next day about an hour before my shower I turned the control back to On – But the burner didn’t light?
I’m thinking now that my gas control is messed up, it made no sense, the burner hasn’t run for over 24 hours so I know the tank has to be cold.
But it wasn’t, the water was at full temp and the thermostat was keeping the burner off.
So I turned the control back to the pilot position and left it there. Every day I have a nice hot shower with water that is being heated only by the pilot flame!!
2010-01-30 at 11:56 pm
Hi Charles,
Yes, that is easier, but you’re still wsting a lot of heat up the chimney. Before converting my tank to electric I ran it for about a year on just the pilot light and I measured heat loss of around 40% up the chimney. See the section “Why are electric water tanks more efficient than gas ones?” in the article above for more details. If your gas hot water tank is located inside your building envelope, the draft generated by a warm hot water tank also draws warm air from within your home up the chimney resulting in significant heat loss from your home (you probably lose more heat from your home than you put into the tank). To reduce these losses, I tried restricting the air flow through my tank (running on pilot only you don’t need much air flow to remove the exhaust). I posted an article about that project but enough readers expressed concerns about carbon monoxide poisoning that I took it down (a ridiculous concern really since a single pilot flame is unlikely to produce enough carbon monoxide to do any harm, even if exhausted directly into your home). One issue I did find when I restricted the air flow was that the exhaust condensed on the inside walls of the hot water tank causing rust. I assume this would have resulted in premature tank failure, but I don’t know for certain since I stopped doing that and converted the tank to electric instead (better to get rid of the chimney entirely).
2010-02-18 at 9:05 pm
Rob: You’re my hero today, this website is fabulous, thank you very much.
You said: “I posted an article about that project but enough readers expressed concerns about carbon monoxide poisoning that I took it down (a ridiculous concern really since a single pilot flame is unlikely to produce enough carbon monoxide to do any harm, even if exhausted directly into your home).”
You are correct. Consider that old gas ranges and stoves had a full time pilot light.
In any case, if you have a gas hot water heater you should have a carbon monoxide detector nearby.